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Ranger Jaap · Aug 21, 2010, 10:24 AM // 10:24

I don't know if this the right board for this but lets start.

Some people may have noticed that there are several people playing with more computers linked to one keyboard. A example my friend does FOW now with 1 person but that person has 7 accounts 7 computers linked to 1 keyboard so if his ele uses skill x all the other eles start using it to.

I asked them if this was legal and everyone i met who had his keyboard linked etc said yes you're not breaking any laws of gw.

My question now is this legal or not?

Vallen · Aug 21, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Legal, yes id say so. Disturbing, definitely so. Why on earth would you do this? Might be good for some pvp spikes if you had the 3 rangers linked to 1 keyboard for an r-spike for example. But its nothing that 3 good players cant do. As for FOW, why would you go to that bother when its easy to clear FOW with just you and your 3 heros with regular builds.

Must be one heck of a lair where he plays.

Ranger Jaap · Aug 21, 2010, 10:42 AM // 10:42

hehe true,imagine a room filled with 7 computers wires everywhere.

Ranger Jaap · Aug 21, 2010, 10:44 AM // 10:44

but some people have been banned because of macros they had on a keyboard or something?

RedDog91 · Aug 21, 2010, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Ranger Jaap

but some people have been banned because of macros they had on a keyboard or something?

No one was banned for macros on their keyboards. Macros are part of the game and are set up in-game.
The accounts that were banned were banned for botting, match manipulation, buying/selling gold, and account hacking.
The only way i see the keyboard thing being a problem is if you sync RA with it....that would be match manipulation.

Vlad · Aug 21, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Dont see why it would be Illigal. Why the heck 7 keyboards?

The Mountain · Aug 21, 2010, 12:41 PM // 12:41

"You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service"

Pretty sure this is an advantage gained through hardware.

ETA:

Before the trolls attack, I should add this clause of the EULA also states that GWx2 and Multi-launch, etc. are all against the rules. According the our log-in message, these accounts (all serious players in GW?) should be TERMINATED, not even face a small suspension/warning...but of course it's their prerogative to pick and choose which elements of their CONTRACT they will follow up on.

snaek · Aug 21, 2010, 12:57 PM // 12:57

i would think it is. this is different from using gwx2: using gwx2 your playing both accounts. this method however, your only playing 1 account and the rest are being played automatically for you. i would think of it like a "real-time bot script" as opposed to a "pre-recorded bot script".

what matters though is that anet won't be able to detect it so legal or not, it is not bannable, and therefore safe to do.

The Mountain · Aug 21, 2010, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Note, snaek, that your distinction in scripts is not recognized in the EULA. Further GWx2 allows players to gain benefits from two accounts for the work of one (dungeon chests, for instance); thus, it provides an advantage for its users.

I do agree that neither is going to result in a ban any time soon...just pointing out some discrepancy in following the EULA (actually, all people with inappropriate names should be perma-banned now according the the log-in message).

Chrissie Quickdraw · Aug 21, 2010, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Keycloning and Multiboxing is quite common in mmo's, I doubt it's illegal.

http://multiboxing.com/ & http://www.dual-boxing.com/ These sites have pretty much all the info about it.

TheodenKing · Aug 21, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

The Mountain is right. Gang, it is against the EULA to do things that give you an unfair advantage in-game. With respect to macros, some things you can get away with (a double-clicking macro to drink booze in your guild hall) because no one is likely to report you, and Anet isn't on the prowl to catch your code in the guild hall. That doesn't make it legal... but it's akin to driving 3 miles over the speed limit. Could you get busted? Yes, but not likely.

Other things, (like macros of repetitive actions inside an outpost or anywhere in pvp) are more likely to draw attention for the simple reason that other players can figure out what you are doing, and these areas are more often the focus of Anet's attention, irrespective of the reporting function.

The OP's example of linking 7 accounts to one keyboard is clearly against the EULA. It is also clever and at the same time pathetic. But I guess if he is doing everything strictly pve and without pugs, who is going to report him? He would only get caught if Anet is scanning the code in a certain server area randomly at the moment he is doing his thing.

The common sense rule of thumb about macros is: They want you to play the game yourself. If you use third party programs/hardware to circumvent that (ie. a macro is your slave) then you are violating the EULA.

jazilla · Aug 21, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Man, if I knew how to do stuff like that or had the money for 7 accounts I would put it to a real life use and make my money in RL, Obby Shards aren't that cool.

MArcSinus · Aug 21, 2010, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Hi Jaap, you're in my alliance lol

It's legal to have multiple accounts of course but not to play with them all at the same time when it would provide you and unfair advantage.
Let's say you are doing FoW or UW with multiple of your characters and heroes then this would be unfair. Linking them all to 1 keyboard even less.

Stoneys Rock · Aug 21, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by jazilla

Man, if I knew how to do stuff like that or had the money for 7 accounts I would put it to a real life use and make my money in RL, Obby Shards aren't that cool.

His leisure time, his money, he can do what he wants. When its your money then your opinion counts.

Besides to buy 1 chapter of the game is now 4x less than when it was first released.

Personally I wouldn't think its illegal per-sé, well scratch that for pvp it would definitely be a bannable offence to have team co-ordination quite like that.

For PvE however I don't see why it would be bannable, he still has to press buttons and target enemies. He has to set up 8 characters instead of one they all can't have the same skills, it'd be an immense strain tbh. Certainly doable but worth the time? I don't know.

Seeing as I think it could be a pvp ban I'd say it is most likely against the rules.

Xydrych · Aug 21, 2010, 06:53 PM // 18:53

You don't even need that you could easily get a follow bot and have several accounts running at the same time using a fully balanced team. It's like you get 8 chances to open the FoW chest.

Fay Vert · Aug 21, 2010, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Isn't it time someone calld BS on this whole thread? What a stupid notion.

jonnieboi05 · Aug 22, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I have 15 accounts total, of which I use 8 of them to farm for Nick items.

It is in no way "illegal" when you are literally playing all of the accounts manually. It is only "illegal" when you have to do NOTHING in order for the accounts to farm, move, use attack skills in a specific order, etc. (aka, a bot/script).

Ranger Jaap · Aug 22, 2010, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Isn't it time someone calld BS on this whole thread? What a stupid notion.

So you deny that there are people using more accounts linked to 1 keyboard? I could post screens(without names) to proof it.

Ranger Jaap · Aug 22, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

I have 15 accounts total, of which I use 8 of them to farm for Nick items.

It is in no way "illegal" when you are literally playing all of the accounts manually. It is only "illegal" when you have to do NOTHING in order for the accounts to farm, move, use attack skills in a specific order, etc. (aka, a bot/script).

well they actually play one 1 keyboard wich controls all accounts i doubt thats even ok with the rules it can give you a big advantage.

Stoneys Rock · Aug 22, 2010, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Ranger Jaap

well they actually play one 1 keyboard wich controls all accounts i doubt thats even ok with the rules it can give you a big advantage.

Ever thought it could also be a gigantic pain to manage different classes/abilities/targeting.

Put it this way if they are all on the same spot, tanking will be a pain, he goes to attack and a monk skill is in same slot he wasted a heal and energy. He could spike it but healing is going to suck with the targeting unless he gives all characters a self heal which is horribly inefficient.

Still illegal but I'm just making a point.

This isn't like ultima online from yesteryear where you could control all the actions of all players properly. This game has far too many variables

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...8834-640wi.jpg

^ At least times have changed enough to let you get away with one computer. Ahh Rich Thurman..God bless you.